Everything After - A 9.11 Youth Circle - What do you guys think of this bombing of Isreal by the Muslims?

I for one have to say that this continuous 2-week-bombing by the Muslims is horrible. I think that it is so sad how people can go shopping for a pair of socks and be killed. It is like another Holocaust. I think that what the Muslims are doing is wrong! How can they not see that their laws from the Koran are unjust!?To Kill people who are Jewish or Christian to go straight to heaven is disgusting. I think that the Islamic religion is horrific and a disgrace to the human society. Anyone who denies the obvious laws of Islam is blind to the facts. I do not hate Muslims themselves but their religion. I just wish that these victims in Israel are forgiving because this never ending hell will hold them in their tracks for years to come. I do not want to truly hurt anyone feelings by my comments but this is my opinion!

I think that the bombings and constant violence in Israel is terrible. I feel very sad for the Israelis whenever I hear of any bombings. But I also feel sad for the Palistinians. This is a difficult situation, because while it does seem Israelis are on the defensive, often they are on the offensive also. There are time when there is an Isreali suicide bomber, not a Palistinian. This horrific violence is affecting everyone negativly, not just the Isrealis. You must also realize that Palistinians and Isrealis are extremely segregated in Isreal, and it is also the Palistinian's country, it does not just belong to the Isrealies. It is a horrible thing. I also don't agree with what was said about Islam. While I am not islamic, it is my impression that Islam is a very peaceful religion. It has also been around longer than Christianity. It is not the Islamic who are wrong, but the extremests. there are also extremest Christian groups as well. take Northern Ireland for example. Northern Ireland has been plauged by terrorist acts much like Isreal, only it is between the Roman Catholics and Protestant religions, not Islam and Jewdism. The Muslims kill in the name of allah like Christians kill in the name of Christ. To say "the Islamic religion is horrific and a disgrace to human society" is naive. It is not the religion, but the extreme believers who are a danger to "human society".

Bombings are a terrible thing to be brought upon to any consent. The fear brought on by the dangers of bombing Isreal is too immense for a person to consider that all this hatred is amongst us and everyone else that is to be considered. Their god as they say it "Allah". Their god engages them in the right that killing one's self they will get rewarded. I think that all this needs to stop. I don't mean in a few days or in a year, but needs to stop right now. All this hatred is or has effected you in one way or another. We as citizens of the U.S. and allying countries need to join forces into act as one to pull through this.

Something you need to remember though is, it isn't the religion. Every religion is perfect in it's true form, it is people that screw it up. You think those people killing others are truly follows a "religion of peace" no they aren't. I am a Christian but there are a hwole lot of so called "Christians" out there that lie, cheat, steal, fornicate, and worse things. But it's because they call themselves "Christians" that the face of Christianity gets disfigured. I don't think it is the religions fault, it's the people that are turning it to their own desires and screwing it up.

As an American who converted to Islam about a year ago, I would like to correct some misconceptions. First of all, "sentfr0mabove" and "horsej", I think it is very sad that you feel that way about our religion. What is happening to Islam right now is similar to (though, if possible, even uglier than) the problem of sexual abuse in the Catholic church. Many, many more people are out there practicing both Islam and Catholocism in a harmless, peaceful manner than are doing this sort of damage. We peaceful Muslims condemn the violence in the Middle East on both sides. Have you ever read the Quran? Allah said, "We do not love agressors." Muslims are given the right to defend themselves against an immediate attack, but never to kill themselves or kill innocent civilians, especially women and children. The suicide bombings violate all of these principles and are a terrible sin. There is no "good" or "bad" side in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. People must learn to stand upon our common ground. War will accomplish nothing.

The reason Palestinians misinterpret Islam so, is that they feel oppressed, desparate and useless. This is a terrible and tragic situation. These young men and women feel that there is nothing else left to do. I know many people in the Middle East and Asia. They have little hope, and are very, very tired of fighting. The trouble is that for it to be true peace, everyone must participate, while just a few people can throw the world into war.

And thank you, ChristianGal, and Lexy, for respecting our faith. It is people like you who give us hope for a calm and peaceful tomorrow. However, I would like to note that Islam is the most recent of the world's major religions, younger than Christianity or Judaism-- the Quran was revealed to Muhammed in the 8th century C.E. Muhammed was the last of the prophets. Thus we are able to read the Quran, sunnah and hadith in the very same language they were written in-- Arabic-- so that we know exactly what was said, and not a translation and interpretation.

okay first thing is first whoever said islam has been around longer than christianity is wronge! first of all the muslims believe in Christ they just dont believe that he ressurrected. so obviously if they believe in Christ than christianity had to been around much loneger! secondly how can a relgiion thats bleievs that killing a jew will send them right through the 7 heavens. ANother thing CAtholisim is not really considered to be christian. so it does not relate to Christians as a whole. and how can you say that Mohammed did not like killing and whatever when he killed hundreds of Jews when they did not follow him.He also married a 9 year old girl a her name was Kadijah ( spelling is not correct)he had like 5 wives. I dont see how he could be a prophet and have multiple wives. This is not holy at all! Another thing is that the only reason why islam is growing in religion is that the people are havo=ing tons of children by mulitple wives. people are not converting to islam by choice but are becoming muslim because it was their birth religion! OKay back to the whole Palestinian subject Isreal belongs to the Jews and the Jews should bomb the mosque in Mecca becasue it doesnt belong their. If you guys are so nieve to believe that Islam is a "RELIGION OF PEACE" than you guys need to go a great site that is not biased because it also says soemthings about Christianity . it is www.answeringislam.org . You guys should really go there and get your facts right! My sister has been studying Islam for a year and she finds the real truths of it. lastly, i am not sure who said it but whoever said that when christians kill, its in the name oF GOd. THis is totally not true. If you kill God will forgive you but you haev to ask for forgivness. God hates killing. ANd he condems it. If you look at the ten commandments " Thou Shall Not Kill" Is said plan and simple . ANd I feel really sorry for Kalidah for converting to Islam becuase chances are you are probably going to convert back because that is what the majority seems to be doing be and the truth will come out someday. and all you muslims will see the great and horrific mistake you have made when being a muslim.

I'm sorry, sentfr0mabove, but that is not correct about Muhammed and his wives. Khadija was a 40-year-old widow, and while she was alive Muhammed did not marry any other wives. The young girl that he married was Aisha, and she was 7 not 9; she and Muhammed truly fell in love, and he died in her arms ten years later. His other wives were elderly widows with limited means and he married them out of compassion. He also never killed Jews for not converting to Islam. Allah says in the Quran, "There is no compulsion in religion." The early Muslims were mainly involved in battling the Quraysh tribe, who had attacked them. And I will ask you again, have you read the Quran? Has your sister?

I can't help the fact that you are bitter at Muslims and Islam, but never pity me my choices. All human beings should have the right to practice whatever religion suits them. I have studied Islam quite thoroughly, and found nothing that condones terrorism. What is your problem with Islam if the Muslim is not a terrorist and believes in peace? After all, isn't it the things we believe and do that are important, not what they are called? To make my point clearer I would like to quote the talented and profound Barbara Kingsolver, from her novel ANIMAL DREAMS:

"It's what you do that makes you who you are."

sentfrOmabove13,you really need to learnto check facts. Catholicism is one of the OLDEST forms of Christianity,the Protestant part left in the Schism in the 1500's. What's more, this " CAtholisim is not really considered to be christian. so it does not relate to Christians as a whole" can be stated by a member of any denomination about any other. I'm sure people have said that about the Orthodox Chirstians at some point,as it seems to have been made about every branch. But back to the topic:
I find it extremely sad that the Israelis and Palestinians cannot accept each other's beliefs and just live with their differences,and would rather just blow themselves & each other up. I think their actions-and the fighting between Christians in N. Ireland- say much about all 3 religions .

So, sentfrOmabove13, I guess all those Sunday school teachers I had over the years were wrong? And I suppose the sign of the cross isn't about the Trinity, even though it's "Father Son and Holy Spirit"? Or maybe you're just misinformed?

BTW-it's spelled Catholocism. I spelled your religion right, you can at least return the favor for the one I've learned.

Kalidah: Thanks-I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who thinks this way!

Shannon

I am so sorry I didn't tune into this earlier. First of all, I think we all need to calm down. Religion is always a touchy matter, and here we have poured gasoline into an already flaming issue.

Please, you guys, remember respect. I am so thankful to Shannon and Kalidah for keeping their tempers. I know I sound like a second-grader, but oh well. Sometimes we forget our most basic rules.

You all believe what you believe. You're not going to be converted or anything. Myself, I've never believed in anything. Just ghosts, I guess.

Please, please, don't throw insults. Islam doesn't teach murder any more than my agnostism or Sent From Above's (sentfr0mabove13). I agree with Kalidah and Shannon. Please, sentfr0mabove13 , be willing to try to view from the other side of the spectrum.

I don't think any of us want the deaths, sadness, or destruction that we're becoming aware of. Let's not start more grief here.

Oh well excuse me Shannon if I am not some 50 year old Priest who knows the inns and outs of every religion. I am sorry that I am not as perfect as you. and excuse me if I am 14 years old and a human being who makes mistakes just liek everyone else. COuld you every consder that fact that maybe I am getting confused with some different forms of Christianity. And another thign SHANNON, sorry if I am not a professional typer or speller . and i dont see how you can get offended by typos. There are different religions that are considered Christian but dont accept trinity. Like Jehovas Witnesses , Pentecostals, and Mormans. ANd by the way how the hell do I throw a temper online?????? yeah okay whatever. You guys are taking this a little too seriously. If you actually read other topics i said lets tlak about other thigns besides religion to avoid this sort of thing. Lastly earache I have been seeing other sides and If you guys would let me speak without breathing down my back about complaining my views mayeb I culd get to what I wantto say! Okay sorry Kalidah and SHannon and Earache for not being as intellectual as you guys are.

P.s. Isnt this a discussion board where points of views are shared so we dont have to strain over seeing the other side of a situation?

Sentfr0mabove13 (Kallie, right?) this isn't really on topic but. . . I read your bio thingy and it said your parents are from Ethiopia. What an interesting place! I'm really fascinated with Africa, but I'm ashamed to say I don't know much about Ethiopia, or Orthodox Christianity either. . . maybe you could enlighten me?

About the Ten Commandments thing-- what I meant was, "Thou shalt not kill" is part of Islam. So Muslims are supposed to follow that, and combined with what the Quran says, that is why I believe that Islam is a religion of peace. I know a lot of Christians (and a lot of Muslims too!) disagree with this, but I hope that people of all religions can correct our misconceptions about one another and learn to live peacefully.

sentfr0mabove13�..
No offence or anything but who are you to judge what the Koran says!! Have you read it? Don�t go around making assumptions that you�re not sure of! I hate that, the Koran says �if you die for the sake of your country, or your family, or your beliefs then you go to heaven� not if you go around killing Christians or Jews.

Islam has never supported or better yet encouraged the killing of innocent people.
I hate how people think that all Muslims are terrorists just because of one person! When the Oklahoma bombing happened, did u go around calling the whole catholic community �terrorists�?

Yeah Kalidah , You can call me Kallie, along with everyone else. Umm yeah sure. Well right now there isnt much to say about Ethiopiaa because it is doing soooo bad. But it had a really rich history. Okay well and important person who was Queen of Ethiopia was Queen Sheeba or Makeda. She had an affair with King Solomon ( Kind David's son) and had a child named Menelikk the 1st. This is a legend, but when Menelik went back to his gftaher ( Kind Solomon) he took the Ark Of Covenant. Another famous story is the battle of Adawa. This is was the first battle against a Eurpean Country ( Italy) , Ethiopia won and this battle was deafaeted by using spears. This was also the first time vere when chemical genocide was used. Italy cam back during Hitler's reign and got what is now Eritrea. Hmm, lets see oh well an Emperor named Haile Sellase is belived to be a prophet by the Rastafarians. A lot of rrastafarians are in the islands. A famous rastafarian is Bob Marly. Rastas ( this is whatthey are called for short) are famous for wearing dreads. There is a lot more mayeb you could go to a search engine and type in "Ethiopian History" and get much more. WIth Orthodoxy , it is a religion that is very strict and it teachs the literal meansing of the Bible. There are a lot of Orthodox CHristians IN Greece , Syrbia,Russia, Egypt, Ethiopia, and there are also converts. Orthodoxy was the first kind of form of Christianity. You can learn a lot more also by using a search engine.

Heaven's devil-- Yes, I changed my name when I became Muslim. I think Arabic names are beautiful, and it serves as a symbol of my faith.

Thanks, Kallie, for telling me about Ethiopia, and Orthodoxy. And you don't really need to apologize. On one message board that I used to go, someone told me, "Hey, Miss Patty Hearst the second. I've got a one-way ticket to Afghanistan for you, now come over here so I can shove it up your a**." At least the discussions on here have remained pretty reasonable (knock wood).

Excuse me sentfromabove ... I have been reading the Koran (and it can be spelled both ways... and anyway this isn't English class so whatever)
So as I was saying... how do you know that your so called "translation" was accurate? My first language is Arabic... and I�m a Muslim ( just a couple of miles away from my home, right now.. right this minute there is a marathon going on to help raise money .. in order to buy the Palestinians medical supplies)
I have been studying the Koran in religion class for the past 10 years of my life!! And not ONCE have I read or have I been told that �if we kill a Jew or a Christian we would go to heaven" that is absurd!!
Believe me I have nothing against you. The only thing that is really bothering me, is the fact that you all seem to believe that Islam encourages terrorism and it does not!